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they very much want on the table if we're going to have a big deal in this fiscal cliff matter. jon? jon: on the democratic side it seems like they are holding firm on being sure that there is additional tax revenue in any fiscal cliff deal, right? >> jon, no question about that. they have been consistent from the very beginning. the president ran on the upper income americans paying more taxes as part of this deal. we heard more from chuck schumer on "fox news sunday". >> we democrats realize that there have to be two sides to this bargain but we're not going back to what we did in 2011. we both revenues and cuts on the table and ended up with just getting cuts because the other side wouldn't accept the revenues. >> reporter: a lot of folks on both sides feel like this is critical week. we're getting close to the end of the year. you need to give lawmakers a chance to put whatever deal it nice legislative language and sell to constituents and ultimately vote on it and hopefully send it to the president's desk. jon. jon: we'll see what happens. not a lot of time left. mike emanu
they very much want on the table if we're going to have a big deal in this fiscal cliff matter. jon? jon: on the democratic side it seems like they are holding firm on being sure that there is additional tax revenue in any fiscal cliff deal, right? >> jon, no question about that. they have been consistent from the very beginning. the president ran on the upper income americans paying more taxes as part of this deal. we heard more from chuck schumer on "fox news sunday". >>...
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as soon as the holidays end, we're most likely going to go over the fiscal cliff. something that could absolutely crush the consumer. all of which means it's a very confusing moment. we want to stick with best of breed that can come bouncing back whenever our leaders reach a deal. companies like ascena retail group, asna. the apparel artist formerly known as dress barn. we've been fans because they have a terrific model. own multiple niche brands, maurice's for 20-something women, dress barn, appeals to a more middle aged demo, and charming shops, giving them two successful plus-sized chains. i believe in this deal because they have a terrific record of making transitions work. the stock got slammed today, falling 4.3%. they delivered a four-cent earnings beat, revenues were in line, but still rose 48% year-over-year. and they reaffirmed their guidance for 2013, numbers slightly less than what some on wall street were expecting. what happened here, i think, is the stock ran 35% for the year. expectations got so elevated that for some, well, they say they were disap
as soon as the holidays end, we're most likely going to go over the fiscal cliff. something that could absolutely crush the consumer. all of which means it's a very confusing moment. we want to stick with best of breed that can come bouncing back whenever our leaders reach a deal. companies like ascena retail group, asna. the apparel artist formerly known as dress barn. we've been fans because they have a terrific model. own multiple niche brands, maurice's for 20-something women, dress barn,...
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the stock market took its cues once again from washington and the rhetoric over the fiscal cliff. it was the fifth straight session of gains, with the buyers out at the opening bell. the index lost some momentum around 2:30 eastern time, something traders blame on comments from senate majority leader harry reid. reid said it would be extremely difficult to get legislation averting the fiscal cliff through the senate before christmas. with today's seven-tenths of a percent gain, it brings the index back to a level last seen on election day. for the year, its up 13.5%. trading volume increased to 691 million shares; just over 1.9 billion shares on the nasdaq. the technology sector was back in the leader position, up 1.4%. health care and telecommunications were up 1%. with the tech sector up, apple was helping out as it rebounded a little from its recent sell- off, but on lighter volume. shares rose 2.1%. piper jaffray's apple analyst predicts a more steady stock rally next year, and he's sticking with his $900 price target. it was a pair of business software firms that had the best
the stock market took its cues once again from washington and the rhetoric over the fiscal cliff. it was the fifth straight session of gains, with the buyers out at the opening bell. the index lost some momentum around 2:30 eastern time, something traders blame on comments from senate majority leader harry reid. reid said it would be extremely difficult to get legislation averting the fiscal cliff through the senate before christmas. with today's seven-tenths of a percent gain, it brings the...
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cliff, while not something to be encouraged, may not be as bad as many had thought, and, certainly, it is not worth making bad policy that will have m r much longer range -- will have much longer range implications. the second issue, another kind of artificial date has been in law for decades, and congress periodically as a part of debate over whether to extend it. it's app interesting debate. there really is no option. you either extend it or you default. default really shouldn't be an option, and it's something that should be avoided at all costs. we put this quick little date in there so that we can have the debate, have a vote, and then extend the debt ceiling as we know we have to. that's fine we have the issue of the debt and deficit in the long run. the issues of real importance because, one, we don't account for our expenditures the way businesses do, the way individuals have to. we get toking the for -- to account for them and ignore many of the long term implications, and if we put them in, it increases the amount of debt that we owe and have promised dray mat -- dramatica
cliff, while not something to be encouraged, may not be as bad as many had thought, and, certainly, it is not worth making bad policy that will have m r much longer range -- will have much longer range implications. the second issue, another kind of artificial date has been in law for decades, and congress periodically as a part of debate over whether to extend it. it's app interesting debate. there really is no option. you either extend it or you default. default really shouldn't be an option,...
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fiscal cliff? can't we call it something else? >> dana: sure. >> eric: monetary -- >> greg: liberal fantasy. >> bob: one more thing on the table. can obama sell cuts in entitlements to his senate? >> dana: not acarding to harry reid. >> eric: leave it there. we'll stay on it. don't go away. more on developing news washington, including ambassador susan rice. we'll get on that when we come back. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they don't know it yet, but they're gonna fall in love, get married, have a couple of kids, children laughing ] move to the country, d live a long, happy life together where they almost never fight about money. [ dog barks ] because right after they get married, they'll find some retirement people who are paid on salary, not commission. they'll get straightforward guidance and be able to focus on other things, like each other, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. often comes with a set of equally impressive instructions ? shouldn't something that's
fiscal cliff? can't we call it something else? >> dana: sure. >> eric: monetary -- >> greg: liberal fantasy. >> bob: one more thing on the table. can obama sell cuts in entitlements to his senate? >> dana: not acarding to harry reid. >> eric: leave it there. we'll stay on it. don't go away. more on developing news washington, including ambassador susan rice. we'll get on that when we come back. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they...
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it may not entirely show itself in this fiscal cliff fix, but the fix may be coming. i'm kudlow. we'll be right back. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. >>> u.s. tax dollar funded battery marker a-123 systems is up for sale. the winning bid goes to -- china. so i asked was red china rising why u.s. taxpayers have to finance their battery companies. here's ann lee, author of "what the u.s. can learn from china," professor of nyu and visiting professor from beijing university and author kwof "death by china" and cnbc contributor. ann, let me go to you first. if we, the u.s. taxpayer and government are dumb enough to build a goofy battery company that goes bankrupt why shouldn't china scoop it up? >> i think this is a great story. first of all, taxpayer money wasn't wasted. all that money from the gov
it may not entirely show itself in this fiscal cliff fix, but the fix may be coming. i'm kudlow. we'll be right back. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. >>> u.s. tax dollar funded battery marker a-123...
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something we were talking a lot about and stopped because the fiscal cliff insanity. that is. >> europe. europe has the potential to unravel this is not a decade-long agenda, this is actually within a year maybe, i don't know. it has the possibility of breaking apart, having a severe recession that will impact the u.s. economy and that made all this momentum that we are hopefully starting to see in the u.s. economy. liz: are we wasting too much time on fiscal cliff discussion and the potential effect on our money, should we not be focusing on these other issues and somehow bulletproof our investments as it pertains to each one of these concerns. we talk about doubling up. >> we should make pay more attention to europe. the attention we're paying to the fiscal cliff is not actually productive. in fact, it is leading to polarization of positions that have to be negotiated in private, and the lesson here from washington, the better i like the fiscal cliff. liz: the talks were secret today. >> might notice the financial markets are not actually very volatile in response t
something we were talking a lot about and stopped because the fiscal cliff insanity. that is. >> europe. europe has the potential to unravel this is not a decade-long agenda, this is actually within a year maybe, i don't know. it has the possibility of breaking apart, having a severe recession that will impact the u.s. economy and that made all this momentum that we are hopefully starting to see in the u.s. economy. liz: are we wasting too much time on fiscal cliff discussion and the...
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>> the fiscal cliff is something he will talk about, say they have to solve this. he's talked before about the upside and said twice already the federal reserve cannot off-set the effects of the fiscal cliff. the fed could -- one idea -- the fed could keep a little bit of powder dry if we do go off the cliff, the fed has something it could do. >> mike duke last night the ceo of walmart spoke and he sa said -- they poll their shoppers all the time. a week before the election, 25% of walmart customers knew about the fiscal cliff. one week after the election, 75% of their shoppers know about the fiscal cliff and 15% say it means they will spend less on christmas. it's pre-telling, right? >> apparently the walmart shopper is more informed than the average american. we showed 70%. that's out there. it's something that affects people. it was clear in the data there was an effect of the fiscal cliff on overall economic attitudes. the more important thing we found is that it affects businesses and businesses slow down in capital spending. you're an economic student and you
>> the fiscal cliff is something he will talk about, say they have to solve this. he's talked before about the upside and said twice already the federal reserve cannot off-set the effects of the fiscal cliff. the fed could -- one idea -- the fed could keep a little bit of powder dry if we do go off the cliff, the fed has something it could do. >> mike duke last night the ceo of walmart spoke and he sa said -- they poll their shoppers all the time. a week before the election, 25% of...
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now we're talking about using the fiscal cliff or the debt ceiling as the ultimate weapon, trying to get something from the president now or give something to the president now with a threat that the debt ceiling will be used as the weapon in a few weeks or months. and quite frankly, that's no way to run a country. we need to move beyond this stalemate and this gridlock and both parties need to come together. i think the president's trying his best and, quite frankly, i would say that speaker boehner is really trying here. but these are difficult circumstances and i believe -- i return to what i said earlier. we had an election. the president won. when it comes to these tax matters, the people of this country are supportive of the president's approach. >> i'm curious, chip, and you were on this teleconference and obviously those are people very involved and very interested but there's an awful lot of fatigue, election fatigue in this country and, frankly, the holidays -- holiday season is upon us, people are busy, kids are back in school, so son and so forth. how much is public press
now we're talking about using the fiscal cliff or the debt ceiling as the ultimate weapon, trying to get something from the president now or give something to the president now with a threat that the debt ceiling will be used as the weapon in a few weeks or months. and quite frankly, that's no way to run a country. we need to move beyond this stalemate and this gridlock and both parties need to come together. i think the president's trying his best and, quite frankly, i would say that speaker...
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. >> yeah, but there's stimulus the white house wants as a result of the fiscal cliff deal. they don't want to see a lapse, for instance, in the payroll tax cut. although they'd be fine with it being replaced by something else. unemployment insurance passed, infrastructure spending, those are incentives for the white house to cut a deal on the fiscal cliff as opposed to just going over it and saying, okay, we'll just take the, you know, sequester cuts and bush tax rates. >> that's right, and they were willing to do that in 2010 and were criticized, of course, by the base of the party because they felt so strongly about the stimulus measures. that shows how firmly the president is going to fight for those in the final package. >> i think there's so many reasons why boehner has to take a deal, though, in addition. if you look at the polls, 2 to 1, the public blames the republicans if there is no deal. and he's, meanwhile, gotten his tea party radicals, he's punished them for not following his line and his leadership. so, you know, look at wall street, they so far the market's
. >> yeah, but there's stimulus the white house wants as a result of the fiscal cliff deal. they don't want to see a lapse, for instance, in the payroll tax cut. although they'd be fine with it being replaced by something else. unemployment insurance passed, infrastructure spending, those are incentives for the white house to cut a deal on the fiscal cliff as opposed to just going over it and saying, okay, we'll just take the, you know, sequester cuts and bush tax rates. >> that's...
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i have two questions concerning the fiscal cliff. the cash cuts that republicans -- the spending cuts on medicare. why don't we allow them to negotiate medicare and to reduce the cost of medicine? that should save you a lot of money yearly. i agree totally about the republicans and democrats spending money stupidly just before the election. both sides voted to refurbish something like 170 army tanks that the army said they'd do not need. they went and voted to repair those tanks. why are we wasting our money? democrats want to cut taxes. host: armstrong williams? guest: we haven't gotten to affordable care and medicare and medicaid. if affordable care was administered correctly and if he did not have the special interest groups and if tort reform was not included, package you move forward in making health care work for anyone if you do not bring tort reform to the table? the medical malpractice lawsuits are out of control where doctors are paranoid and have to think twice before going through these procedures. it becomes a nightmare
i have two questions concerning the fiscal cliff. the cash cuts that republicans -- the spending cuts on medicare. why don't we allow them to negotiate medicare and to reduce the cost of medicine? that should save you a lot of money yearly. i agree totally about the republicans and democrats spending money stupidly just before the election. both sides voted to refurbish something like 170 army tanks that the army said they'd do not need. they went and voted to repair those tanks. why are we...
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cliff. you can tell the pentagon is scaling back. today it became the triangle. [ laughter ] you know there's a teacher at home going yes! my math teacher. exactly. he learned something. and finally an entrepreneur in colorado has crafted an ice cream that's infused with marijuana. [ cheers ] which is why when you go to put in the freezer, it's like, "i'm already chill, man." [ laughter ] we got a great show for you tonight. give it up for the roots! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> jimmy: hey! we are in a great mood here at "late night." the grammy nominations were announced last night. i want to say congratulations to the roots! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ their album "undun" got nominated for best rap album. how cool is that? [ cheers and applause ] the greatest band in late night. but that's not all. [ drum roll ] our record "blow your pants off" got nominated for best comedy album! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ i'm so excited. i was freaking out last night. i couldn't sleep. oh, my god. thi
cliff. you can tell the pentagon is scaling back. today it became the triangle. [ laughter ] you know there's a teacher at home going yes! my math teacher. exactly. he learned something. and finally an entrepreneur in colorado has crafted an ice cream that's infused with marijuana. [ cheers ] which is why when you go to put in the freezer, it's like, "i'm already chill, man." [ laughter ] we got a great show for you tonight. give it up for the roots! [ cheers and applause ] ♪...
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whether it's the fiscal cliff, the fed meeting. what are the proceed right now? >> we've got bob from s&p capital iq. steven wood and gordon shallop. great to have you all on the show. you normally get the priority of speaking first. what are you doing right now? >> right now we're anticipating for volatility. we knew it was going to be a volatile fourth quarter. there's a lot of policy induced volatility. that said, the economy in the united states has not changed that much. it's grinding along. that recovery we've been talking about for a long time. so it's measurably positive, not robustly positive. that's kind of doing battle with just about offsetting some of the policy risk. >> the fear is all that changes if we go over the cliff. >> it would. right now the forecast is there's some compromise. there's a short-term compromise. they buy time. and they use that to get the silhouette of a grand bargain. if they use the time well, the markets could like that. if we do go off the cliff, that's 8% of gdp. >> what's your expectation, bob? >> we put out a research s
whether it's the fiscal cliff, the fed meeting. what are the proceed right now? >> we've got bob from s&p capital iq. steven wood and gordon shallop. great to have you all on the show. you normally get the priority of speaking first. what are you doing right now? >> right now we're anticipating for volatility. we knew it was going to be a volatile fourth quarter. there's a lot of policy induced volatility. that said, the economy in the united states has not changed that much....
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>> the whole country is truly concerned about the fiscal cliff, that is obvious. everybody is sitting back and waiting to see if washington can actually get something done. if political agendas can get it aside and think about the devastation that probably occurred with the fiscal cliff. the spring selling season begins in late january. we have been the bright spot in the economy. our industry are creating jobs, we're coming back in the early stages of a recovery so the fiscal cliff january 1 would have a huge impact on the country, and impact on our business, and we have our fingers crossed and are very hopeful washington can get something done and we'll have to see. but if they don't, there is no question there will be a little bit of time until things settle down when the buyers will hit the sidelines. liz: will it derail the tentative recovery here? >> right now we are three weeks away from this fiscal cliff date and we're still selling houses. i don't think it derails it, but there could be a pause until things get worked out. liz: part of it is being discuss
>> the whole country is truly concerned about the fiscal cliff, that is obvious. everybody is sitting back and waiting to see if washington can actually get something done. if political agendas can get it aside and think about the devastation that probably occurred with the fiscal cliff. the spring selling season begins in late january. we have been the bright spot in the economy. our industry are creating jobs, we're coming back in the early stages of a recovery so the fiscal cliff...
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let me ask you, jessica, the fiscal cliff is something we have been talked about each and every day here on cnn, the president met with the speaker of the house and am i correct, has it been about a year since the two of them had a one on one face to face, so what are we learning detailwise from the meeting? >> the bottom line is the status appears to remain at stalemate. the white house is expressing the view that the president believes it is still possible to get to a deal, but they want to hear more -- they want to hear specifics from republicans on revenue and they have not heard that. that's what the white house was saying before the deal -- before the meeting last friday they were saying this. the speaker's office is saying they still want to hear from the white house on more details on spending cuts, also that is what the speaker's office was saying before the meeting last friday. so the message today is exactly what it was last friday. the meeting happened yesterday. on sunday. so we are where we were. does that mean that nothing happened in the meeting? no, there could have been
let me ask you, jessica, the fiscal cliff is something we have been talked about each and every day here on cnn, the president met with the speaker of the house and am i correct, has it been about a year since the two of them had a one on one face to face, so what are we learning detailwise from the meeting? >> the bottom line is the status appears to remain at stalemate. the white house is expressing the view that the president believes it is still possible to get to a deal, but they...
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the fiscal cliff is something that we need to go over, that way we can enhance our military to special forces and get us some better weaponry. lose the people who are vacationing in all of these foreign countries, limiting the military to doing what it absolutely has to do. host: you are probably the fourth person here who has said we should go over the cliff. the headline from november in "the financial times" was that the fall in consumption would be $200 billion if we go over the cliff. that the u.s. consumer is crucial to growth, they went on to say, because it made up 70% of gdp. some are predicting a recession, a downgrade of our rating for the country. you think it would be ok to go over the cliff? caller: put it this way. only in the last 2000 years of human existence, every time a country goes above 20% tax rate, they failed. rome, babylon. go throughout human history. we are saying it is a 50% tax rate now. what about an 80% tax rate? we cannot survive as a government entity by having so many man hires attached to the host. host: another item attached to the table for debate
the fiscal cliff is something that we need to go over, that way we can enhance our military to special forces and get us some better weaponry. lose the people who are vacationing in all of these foreign countries, limiting the military to doing what it absolutely has to do. host: you are probably the fourth person here who has said we should go over the cliff. the headline from november in "the financial times" was that the fall in consumption would be $200 billion if we go over the...
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it's an issue in this fiscal cliff fight. particularly if we go over the cliff and it turns into a pr battle. it's a problem longer-term, 2014, 2016. the party has to find a way to remake what people think of it and they're not there yet. >> and when you look, mark, at the optimism, pessimism, you find that people who are evenly divided, 48-48, as to whether there will be an agreement, they really want an agreement, though? >> this is a pessimistic are but a realistic public right now, and it's the public that watched what happened in 2011 during the debt ceiling standoff there. it was really interesting. we actually asked the question in december of 2008 after barack obama won his first presidential contest, and at that time 52% actually said we think the next congress is going to be an era of unity and willingness to compromise in congress. now when we ask that xwe, the newest poll, 69% actually are predicting disunity, division, and so this is a much more realistic public right now that is seeing everything that's going on
it's an issue in this fiscal cliff fight. particularly if we go over the cliff and it turns into a pr battle. it's a problem longer-term, 2014, 2016. the party has to find a way to remake what people think of it and they're not there yet. >> and when you look, mark, at the optimism, pessimism, you find that people who are evenly divided, 48-48, as to whether there will be an agreement, they really want an agreement, though? >> this is a pessimistic are but a realistic public right...
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cliff. it's not for michigan only. we see plants closing and jobs leaving and workers busted. the kind of deterioration coming in. workers must strike back in measure. a major one-day workers strike and marshall washington for jobs and justice. too much poverty. too many unemployed people. each of us must fight. workers deserve to be at the bargaining table. >> bob king, what will be the immediate affect on the uaw? >> you know, i'm not worried about the immediate effect on the uaw. i'm worried about the impact on society. this has to be seen as part of a right wing agenda. this lame-duck they're not just attacking labor, but limits. they're attacking teachers and schools. they're attacking everything that is good for working families. this right-wing agenda has to be staffed. labor, civil rights, faith community, lgbt, environmentalists, all of us got to come together and stand up for an america that has prosperity for everybody. not just for ceos and the greedy few at the top. >> this is a
cliff. it's not for michigan only. we see plants closing and jobs leaving and workers busted. the kind of deterioration coming in. workers must strike back in measure. a major one-day workers strike and marshall washington for jobs and justice. too much poverty. too many unemployed people. each of us must fight. workers deserve to be at the bargaining table. >> bob king, what will be the immediate affect on the uaw? >> you know, i'm not worried about the immediate effect on the uaw....
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we've asked in the survey how serious a problem is the fiscal cliff? and you get 68% of the people saying it's a very serious problem, which tells you something when you're talking about something abstract like tax and budget politics which people don't ordinarily pay attention to. they've gotten it. but what we're seeing in this poll, joe, is the after glow of the election. typically when presidents get re-elected, the partisan fighting stops. their numbers rise. the president's approval rating 53%. when you ask, who do you trust to handle the fiscal cliff, it shows how the president has the upper hand. 38% say they trust president obama. that's twice as many as trust speaker boehner, although the 38%, of course, is under 50%. >> 38%. oh, man. but when you look at the potential solutions, does obama have a mandate? we asked that question. you see very big numbers, 68% says he has a mandate to cut taxes for people who earn less than 250k. 65% say he has a mandate to raise taxes on the wealthy while cutting spending. both elements are important. and whe
we've asked in the survey how serious a problem is the fiscal cliff? and you get 68% of the people saying it's a very serious problem, which tells you something when you're talking about something abstract like tax and budget politics which people don't ordinarily pay attention to. they've gotten it. but what we're seeing in this poll, joe, is the after glow of the election. typically when presidents get re-elected, the partisan fighting stops. their numbers rise. the president's approval...
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. >>> with the fiscal cliff looming less than a month away you might think certainly sectors would be getting hammered right now. not the obvious ones like defense. given the defense budget will be cut dramatically if our leaders don't reach a compromise, take retail. if we go over the cliff, something i've been telling you as of this week, more likely by the day, not less, that will deal a huge blow it purchasing power of most americans. think about it. tax rates go up. >> boo. >> the payroll tax holiday goes away. [ buzzer ] unemployment benefits expire for most people -- [ baby crying ] and that's is not even accounting for the layoffs. that's just being cautious. put it together, unless we get a deal, which won't be bad news for the single biggest consumer play out there, which is retail. so even though we're having a real good holiday shopping season that we're seeing so far. pbh told us that. you expect retail to be in trouble. once the holidays ends, things can get a whole lot worse. not just the fiscal cliff. two weeks ago aggregate retail sales that showed a 3% decline. last
. >>> with the fiscal cliff looming less than a month away you might think certainly sectors would be getting hammered right now. not the obvious ones like defense. given the defense budget will be cut dramatically if our leaders don't reach a compromise, take retail. if we go over the cliff, something i've been telling you as of this week, more likely by the day, not less, that will deal a huge blow it purchasing power of most americans. think about it. tax rates go up. >> boo....
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for food, for family, and now, something extra -- for you. >>> everybody is waiting for the fiscal cliff. i went down to the capitol this morning to see how things are progressing. i got more negative when harry reid said it is unlikely that a deal will be done by christmas. i'm thrilled to have senator john hovan, a republican from north dakota who has been an advocate here with us tonight. welcome back to "mad money." >> jim, good to be with you. >> i noticed that you are for a bipartisan situation and one of the things that tells me that you are for real is that you have not signed a pledge that would make it so that you cannot vote for a tax increase. it should be a big deal on the order of four trillion dollar over ten years. get growth in our economy and the kind of deal that inincludes tax reform and better spending control. >> when you were governor of your state you previded over what i think is the single greatest employment boom. is washington so different that you wish you were back home? >> you have been out to north dakota, but you are right. the fundamentals don't change.
for food, for family, and now, something extra -- for you. >>> everybody is waiting for the fiscal cliff. i went down to the capitol this morning to see how things are progressing. i got more negative when harry reid said it is unlikely that a deal will be done by christmas. i'm thrilled to have senator john hovan, a republican from north dakota who has been an advocate here with us tonight. welcome back to "mad money." >> jim, good to be with you. >> i noticed...
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. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to something of a holt. john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his bung budget plan. another shanghai surprise. china's mainland market surge nearly 3%. more austerity. plus, austerity measures are hitting european consumers. retail sales in october fall much more than expected. september also revised sharply to the downside. >>> it was a flat day really for european stocks, slightly negative for u.s. stocks yesterday. we are a little bit higher. the dow is currently some 43 points above fair value. the nasdaq is around four points above fair value. the s&p 500 at the moment is around about four points above fair value. european stocks are up half a percent earlier. we have come off those highs. eurozone pmis a little bit better than expected. but still deeply in contraction territory. uk services pmis dipped weaker than expected. the ftse up a quarter a percent. the ibex up around .2. also dragged down by disappointing retail sales. that's where we stand right now ahead of the u.s. o
. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to something of a holt. john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his bung budget plan. another shanghai surprise. china's mainland market surge nearly 3%. more austerity. plus, austerity measures are hitting european consumers. retail sales in october fall much more than expected. september also revised sharply to the downside. >>> it was a flat day really for european stocks,...
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and almost no one is paying attention to ias we focus on the fiscal cliff and what will be an agreement, ifs reached, at'll amou to something in the neighborhood of a couple trillion dollars >> and the forced union states are lookg for tte feral vernment to bail them out. but more important than that, the dems, the decrats don't want to lose the forced union states -- lou: well, i'm not talking about the fored union states now, i'm talking about every state in the union. and theact is that we're talking about unfunded ppnsion liabilities of $4 trillion, mallory. and -- >> but much worse in t forced unions. lou: excuse me, if i may finish. >> i'm sorry. lou: $4 trilliothat no one is paying attention to, how will it be resolved? >> it's tough to resolve, but it's much worse. e point i was trying to make is it' much worse the forced uniin states, much worse. it's almost double. that's one of the issues. we're going to have a big problem resolving that. it's going to be a major proem with services that are absolutely necessary not being able to ke up because of all these pensns that are nde
and almost no one is paying attention to ias we focus on the fiscal cliff and what will be an agreement, ifs reached, at'll amou to something in the neighborhood of a couple trillion dollars >> and the forced union states are lookg for tte feral vernment to bail them out. but more important than that, the dems, the decrats don't want to lose the forced union states -- lou: well, i'm not talking about the fored union states now, i'm talking about every state in the union. and theact is...
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if we go over a fiscal cliff doesn't that push them into action early january to do something? >> you're absolutely right. if we go off the cliff for even a few days the markets will have a fit, and i think that's probably enough to bring them back and figure this out fairly quickly. >> since you said the markets will have a fit, because i feel like the markets will have a fit if we don't have a deal by the end of next year. dan, what's your take on that? will we see a major selloff in stocks if there's no deal at the end of next week? >> i don't know if it's next week necessarily, but i can say more generally -- >> next week or the next week, right? we're 18 days away. >> certainly running out of time. >> right. >> i don't know if the selloff begins next week or the week after that, but i think certainly, you know, one thing that we can say is that tax rates are going up, and with respect to the capital gains tax rate we have two other instances in modern history in which the capital gains tax was increased, and in both snare quotes december in which it owe cured the capital g
if we go over a fiscal cliff doesn't that push them into action early january to do something? >> you're absolutely right. if we go off the cliff for even a few days the markets will have a fit, and i think that's probably enough to bring them back and figure this out fairly quickly. >> since you said the markets will have a fit, because i feel like the markets will have a fit if we don't have a deal by the end of next year. dan, what's your take on that? will we see a major selloff...
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immigration and tax reform post the fiscal cliff will create a legacy and may see congress doing something. >> that is why it is so important that they figure out a way to come together before the end of the year hopefully. if the environment is poisoned like it was after the stimulus, after the health care debate, the next four years will be ugh low. >> that's true. the higher number of women increases the chances. we will see. >> i saw the women here smiling. we were talking about how collaborative they were. the guys, not so much. >> we don't smile. i agree. the more women the better. i'm agreeing with you. can i say nothing? i said the more women, the better. i'm agreeing with you. the more women, the less self destructive egos and getting to a deal. do you have a problem with that. >> no,i don't. >> go with it. i give up. >> all right. still ahead, hollywood mogul joins us on set and author sebastian younger will be here. more morning joe in a moment. ♪ for over 40 years, we've brought our passion for fine coffee and espresso to people everywhere. but one place was impossible, until
immigration and tax reform post the fiscal cliff will create a legacy and may see congress doing something. >> that is why it is so important that they figure out a way to come together before the end of the year hopefully. if the environment is poisoned like it was after the stimulus, after the health care debate, the next four years will be ugh low. >> that's true. the higher number of women increases the chances. we will see. >> i saw the women here smiling. we were talking...
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what is it going to take you know, here on capitol hill to actually get something done to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> and what's going on in those negotiations that we don't know. >> exactly. so we going to talk to the man who may know right? >> the man who's wired in washington. >> exactly. bob woodward knows the white house and he's covering washington for years. he'll be on later this morning. >> announcer: this portion of "cbs this morning" sponsored by international delight coffee creamers. what's your i.d.? who thinks two is better than one? so all of you do. yes, for sure. now what's better? being able to shoot two lasers out of both of your eyes at the same time or just one laser out of one eye? [ all kids ] two! [ moderator ] okay, why? if it's just one beam -- okay, it does a little bit of damage. two beams -- it will make something explode! and that's more fun? yeah! and it's more powerful you're saying? yeah! [ male announcer ] it's not complicated. doing two things at once is better. and only at&t's network lets you talk and surf on your iphone 5. ♪ ♪ online outfit piccolo
what is it going to take you know, here on capitol hill to actually get something done to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> and what's going on in those negotiations that we don't know. >> exactly. so we going to talk to the man who may know right? >> the man who's wired in washington. >> exactly. bob woodward knows the white house and he's covering washington for years. he'll be on later this morning. >> announcer: this portion of "cbs this morning" sponsored...
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anyway, you would be hard pressed to find something who sdn have aen opinion on the fiscal cliff. this weekend, the ahead of the imf said the united states is more vulnerable to its domestic trouble more than anything else happening in the eurozone. christine lagarde says a balanced approach is needed and she says don't kick the can down the road, which is rich coming from a european. >>> european trading the lower this morning. italy's prime minister mario monti, yes, the same one that is famous from all the anti-trust things back in the -- was that the '90s? >> the '90s, yeah. >> monti announcing he'll step down before his term ends. the decision comes after the party of sylvia berlusconi withdrew support for monti's government last week. berlusconi has indicated he will run for leadership again. cnbc's carolin roth will join us from italy with the latest in a few minutes. when i was over there, i had to have the -- all the political signs translated because there's a picture of monti sitting under a beach chair drinking a drink and all the text was send monti to the beach. they
anyway, you would be hard pressed to find something who sdn have aen opinion on the fiscal cliff. this weekend, the ahead of the imf said the united states is more vulnerable to its domestic trouble more than anything else happening in the eurozone. christine lagarde says a balanced approach is needed and she says don't kick the can down the road, which is rich coming from a european. >>> european trading the lower this morning. italy's prime minister mario monti, yes, the same one...
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waiting for news on the fiscal cliff and what ben bernanke if he have anything to say about the fiscal cliff after two-day meeting by federal reserve. they are also watching for bond action. i want to touch on something you were saying. mcdonald's, a a contributor to the dow strength. these are contributing, very moderate strength. we are seeing strength and materials, healthcare industrials, that where mcdonald's trades, they are lower today. one of the reasons we were talking about same store sales and mcdonald's being stronger, that is a boost to its stock. but we have seen a pull back, most notably the gap before pressure. disappointed and a number of retailers did. that number is a mixed as we head toward thursday. the retailers on the retail sales figures for the month of november. quickly, touch on one deal today. honeywell making acquisition of intermac. $10 a share. honeywell, it wasn't unexpected. started taking a leg down on that. brian back to you. >> mary, thank you. >>> part of what is giving the market move today along with renewed confidence perhaps. in the chinese econ
waiting for news on the fiscal cliff and what ben bernanke if he have anything to say about the fiscal cliff after two-day meeting by federal reserve. they are also watching for bond action. i want to touch on something you were saying. mcdonald's, a a contributor to the dow strength. these are contributing, very moderate strength. we are seeing strength and materials, healthcare industrials, that where mcdonald's trades, they are lower today. one of the reasons we were talking about same store...
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that's not what the american people thought the fiscal cliff was about. they thought it was about trying to have something to force us, force our congress and our president to do something about the deficit and debt situation. everything they're talking about will make it worse. >> what's the answer? will we have the deal? >> the real answer is to have comprehensive. look at this. i as a republican, i would take raising the rates on the two top brackets if, in return, we had tax reform laid out over a period of months, if we had entitlement reform. we have to control defense spending. we have to control other no non- -- other discretionary non-defense spending. i think if you have the whole package, i would hold my nose despite the fact raising those two tax brackets is bad economics, bad for jobs, will hurt the economy, i would hold my nose to get the other done. what i wouldn't do is vote for that and do nothing else. >> agree completely. what i've been saying here. steve rattner. >> i agree completely. to get a big deal we all have to hold our nose a l
that's not what the american people thought the fiscal cliff was about. they thought it was about trying to have something to force us, force our congress and our president to do something about the deficit and debt situation. everything they're talking about will make it worse. >> what's the answer? will we have the deal? >> the real answer is to have comprehensive. look at this. i as a republican, i would take raising the rates on the two top brackets if, in return, we had tax...
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my next guest says the fiscal cliff is simply y2k fear. joining me now is a chief investment officer. we have had other people talk about it similar to y2k. why do you feel that it is not something to worry about right now, from an investor standpoint. >> first, i think the deal is already settled in was settled a while back. everyone who has negotiated knows that is what goes on. from an investor point of view, i think you will find that the tax rates don't go crazy like everyone thinks. the dividend taxes, for example, you will have 23.5%. all of these captains of industries, what happens when it turned and looked around and say it really was not such a big thing. what will they do? will they go away from dividends and not have anything that has interest. liz: even with a potentially higher tax rate, you are still getting more than 1.6% or 1.7%. >> exactly. look at how many times in history we have had higher dividend taxes. the rate will hit around 20%. it could go as high as 36 or 39%. with that said, 200 companies, roughly, are accele
my next guest says the fiscal cliff is simply y2k fear. joining me now is a chief investment officer. we have had other people talk about it similar to y2k. why do you feel that it is not something to worry about right now, from an investor standpoint. >> first, i think the deal is already settled in was settled a while back. everyone who has negotiated knows that is what goes on. from an investor point of view, i think you will find that the tax rates don't go crazy like everyone thinks....
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. >> they thought that establishing see sequestration and draconian cuts, that is the fiscal cliff. they thought it would force action they were unable to take before. maybe they have put themselves in a position now where they've got to come up with something down the middle and market credible. i'm hopeful. i think the risk is what you describe. >> neil: we'll watch what happens. minutes away from speaker boehner meeting with the president. what is expected? what to expect by the end of the year? steny hoyer on whether we could be any closer to the deal. he is next. for the holidays. .. >> neil: we're hearing that speaker boehner is going to be en route to the white house soon. it's not far to his offices. i assume he can run the lights. but i don't know that. the house minority maryland democrat steny hoyer. how are you doing. >> thank you. good to be with you. >> neil: do you know anything about the meeting, what could or couldn't happen? >> no, i don't know anything more than you. it's a positive sign that the president and john boehner are sitting down. i've talked to both-of-
. >> they thought that establishing see sequestration and draconian cuts, that is the fiscal cliff. they thought it would force action they were unable to take before. maybe they have put themselves in a position now where they've got to come up with something down the middle and market credible. i'm hopeful. i think the risk is what you describe. >> neil: we'll watch what happens. minutes away from speaker boehner meeting with the president. what is expected? what to expect by the...
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we have takes on the morning spesh especially with the all important fiscal cliff. he says he didn't mind when there is gridlock. when the government does something it usually ends up in gridlock anyway. but jiamie dimon says the government has do much. >> we have moral authority around the world. let's just do it. the table is set very well right now. corporations, middle market companies, small business in good shape. 5 million more people working than four years ago. housing turned the corner. let's just keep it going. >> we heard from ceo of gold man sacks saying if this were a business man manner there would be no tripping of the fiscal cliff at the end of the year but also made interesting comments about goldman sacks reputation. here is how he categorized it. >> we started from scratch. no one knew who we were or what we did. and shame on us in hindsight we let other people define us and nobody knew what we attributed to the economy and jobs growth creation. we were slow off the mark because we hadn't really developed that sense. >> for goldman sachs, the pre
we have takes on the morning spesh especially with the all important fiscal cliff. he says he didn't mind when there is gridlock. when the government does something it usually ends up in gridlock anyway. but jiamie dimon says the government has do much. >> we have moral authority around the world. let's just do it. the table is set very well right now. corporations, middle market companies, small business in good shape. 5 million more people working than four years ago. housing turned the...
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we're in this fiscal cliff talks and the president and the speaker are trying to work out a solution. and they're talking about tax raters in top 2%. mr. cohen: taxing their wealth. that's something they should do because it's fair and it gives the over 98% tax relief. but at the same time they're talking about increasing the medicare age from 65 to 67. and that's taxing the wealth of the less fortunate people who are 65 to 67. for them and for everybody, your health is your wealth. jimmy copeland a friend and semiphilosopher said that, your health is your wealth. if you raise the medicare age from 65 to 67, you're going to sacrifice the health of people who are not the most fortunate system of while we tax the income of the most wealthy, we'll be taxes what wealth theless wealthy have, their health. that's wrong. mr. president and mr. speaker should not increase that age and tax the poor. thank you, mr. speaker. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the -- does the gentlelady from texas seek recognition? ms. jackson lee: i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one m
we're in this fiscal cliff talks and the president and the speaker are trying to work out a solution. and they're talking about tax raters in top 2%. mr. cohen: taxing their wealth. that's something they should do because it's fair and it gives the over 98% tax relief. but at the same time they're talking about increasing the medicare age from 65 to 67. and that's taxing the wealth of the less fortunate people who are 65 to 67. for them and for everybody, your health is your wealth. jimmy...
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i do think getting over the fiscal cliff, the deal getting closer to balance the budget is still very important. i do hope because of the discussion that tax reform is something that is taken seriously for this year. i think that is well overdue. there is not time to do it before december 31. it will give businesses a lot of assurances that the government is paying attention to what they are saying. >> you should tell barack obama to find a jim baker. >> think about each time we have reached a crisis point in our anntry there's been institutional response to tit. we created a central bank. that has proved to be enormous for the past five years and important for years before that. post-world war ii, we create a system and the department of homeland security. i wonder if there's not an institutional -- >> some did not work as well as others. >> that is exactly right. it reflects our values and the focus of the government'. we should have a department of homeland prosperity. we need somebody other than the aboutent to think american competitiveness. something we've taken for granted beca
i do think getting over the fiscal cliff, the deal getting closer to balance the budget is still very important. i do hope because of the discussion that tax reform is something that is taken seriously for this year. i think that is well overdue. there is not time to do it before december 31. it will give businesses a lot of assurances that the government is paying attention to what they are saying. >> you should tell barack obama to find a jim baker. >> think about each time we...
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. >> coming up, the last fed decision of the year and the final one before the fiscal cliff deadline. stay tuned for breaking news coverage of the fed decision on interest rates. it's a cnbc special report, and it's starts after this short break. but we can still help you see your big picture. with the fidelity guided portfolio summary, you choose which accounts to track and use fidelity's analytics to spot trends, gain insights, and figure out what you want to do next. all in one place. i'm meredith stoddard and i helped create the fidelity guided portfolio summary. it's one more innovative reason serious investors are choosing fidelity. now get 200 free trades when you open an account. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] while you're getting ready for the holidays, we're getting ready for you. tis the season. for food, for family, and now, something extra -- for you. come pre-filled with problems. enough is enough. introducing the chase liquid reloadable card. with chase liquid, there's no waiting and no fee to activate you can load cash and checks at any chase depositfriendly atm and th
. >> coming up, the last fed decision of the year and the final one before the fiscal cliff deadline. stay tuned for breaking news coverage of the fed decision on interest rates. it's a cnbc special report, and it's starts after this short break. but we can still help you see your big picture. with the fidelity guided portfolio summary, you choose which accounts to track and use fidelity's analytics to spot trends, gain insights, and figure out what you want to do next. all in one place....
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congress needs something to get something on paper. no news might be good news, if you want a deal as both sides work behind the scenes to find a way to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. >>> it's a family affair. the macks are here. they're both leaving congress next year, not on their own terms but not before trying to figure out our fiscal future and even they don't agree on what to do. >>> plus, a major fight over the role of labor and their power. it all unfolds in michigan. is it the new wisconsin? find out what is driving the big change in the state. that's home to one of the most powerful unions out there. the united auto workers. good morning from washington, tuesday, december 11th, 2012. i'm chuck todd. one of those times in washington when the less that is said the better the news may be, that is if you hope lawmakers and the president come to an agreement on a verdict in this so-called fiscal cliff. we know some of you don't want to deal, but the president has no public events today and not many planned for this week. many a
congress needs something to get something on paper. no news might be good news, if you want a deal as both sides work behind the scenes to find a way to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. >>> it's a family affair. the macks are here. they're both leaving congress next year, not on their own terms but not before trying to figure out our fiscal future and even they don't agree on what to do. >>> plus, a major fight over the role of labor and their power. it all unfolds in...
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as far as the fiscal cliff. were talking about using something is coming, you think that is good news. >> there is always the inside game and the outside game. they will talk to their base and their constituents. they have to get something by the 18th which is next tuesday so they can vote an on it. the matter what it is, something will be coming out of there. nicole: something will be better than nothing out of washington. that is the latest. he sounds pretty happy at least at the moment. today he is positive. tracy: here is a glass half full. we will take it. ashley: thanks, guys. looking at the old tea leaves of what is going to happen with speaker boehner taking the house floor with 20 days until we fall off the fiscal cliff he says it is time for president obama to get serious. really? rich edson in d.c. for all of this. >> actually somebody has to be positive, right? in d.c. we are not getting it right now. sources are looking at these meetings and saying there is essentially no move in it the last couple
as far as the fiscal cliff. were talking about using something is coming, you think that is good news. >> there is always the inside game and the outside game. they will talk to their base and their constituents. they have to get something by the 18th which is next tuesday so they can vote an on it. the matter what it is, something will be coming out of there. nicole: something will be better than nothing out of washington. that is the latest. he sounds pretty happy at least at the...
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all right, do you think we are headed off the fiscal cliff? let us know. give us an e-mail at gerri@foxbussiness.com. >> coming up on "the willis report", tax dollars have bailed out these workers. we have the shocking findings of a new report coming up next. also, for those fed up with apple's disaster mapping system, google maps is back in business for your iphone. details coming up later. also, they say no news is good news. but this you will definitely want to hear. new evidence of obamacare doing more harm than good to your bottom-line. we will have the latest and we are on the case next in "the willis report." speed. tracy: fannie mae and anyone sparking outrage over six-figure salaries. many executives are raking in serious money. these agencies have accrued $138 billion in taxpayer funding. they still owe us $137 billion of that. for more on this, let's bring in rich edson. a former executive vice president. he is now president and fellow -- excuse me, resident fellow at the american enterprise institute. these salaries are really bothering a lot o
all right, do you think we are headed off the fiscal cliff? let us know. give us an e-mail at gerri@foxbussiness.com. >> coming up on "the willis report", tax dollars have bailed out these workers. we have the shocking findings of a new report coming up next. also, for those fed up with apple's disaster mapping system, google maps is back in business for your iphone. details coming up later. also, they say no news is good news. but this you will definitely want to hear. new...
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time for the daily fiscal cliff update as much as i am bored to tears with this story. bored. bored horrible. they will get something done. or they're not. tenth days from potential economic crisis leading republicans warn lawmakers no one is leaving washington, dc, for the holidays, until a deal is done. that would probably include wendell. who is the grinch? >>reporter: house majority cantor who is predicting lawmakers may stay until christmas and come back between christmas and new years. doesn't seem to have been much progress since the first post election face-to-face talks between the president and speaker boehner on sunday but aides say the president is eager for a compromise but at the same time they defended his public prediction that speaker boehner will give up trying to extend the public administration's upper income tax cuts. >> the president predicted the speaker boehner would not want to hold a position and that republicans in general would not want to maintain a position that would result in everyone's taxes going up because of their insistence that the wealthi
time for the daily fiscal cliff update as much as i am bored to tears with this story. bored. bored horrible. they will get something done. or they're not. tenth days from potential economic crisis leading republicans warn lawmakers no one is leaving washington, dc, for the holidays, until a deal is done. that would probably include wendell. who is the grinch? >>reporter: house majority cantor who is predicting lawmakers may stay until christmas and come back between christmas and new...
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. >> some say it's not the end of the world if we go over the fiscal cliff but some say it could thrust us back into recession. what do you think will happen? >> i don't think there's a cliff in the sense that all of a sudden tomorrow something dramatic happens. i think stock markets sometimes react quickly, but for the most part, whether it's going to be a recession or not is a much more long, drawn-out process. but i would say that it's not a good idea to raise anyone taxes and that the marketplace does not differentiate whether you take the money from rich people, poor people or middle class. the marketplace says if you are going to take $800 billion, are you taking it out of the private sector, the productive sector, and are you going to give it to the nonproductive sector in washington? basically the sector of people who are always messing up things in the marketplace? are you going to do that? if you are going to do that, it's a bad idea no matter whether it's rich people, middle class or poor. doesn't matter. if you take money out of the private sector, it's a bad idea. >> well,
. >> some say it's not the end of the world if we go over the fiscal cliff but some say it could thrust us back into recession. what do you think will happen? >> i don't think there's a cliff in the sense that all of a sudden tomorrow something dramatic happens. i think stock markets sometimes react quickly, but for the most part, whether it's going to be a recession or not is a much more long, drawn-out process. but i would say that it's not a good idea to raise anyone taxes and...
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with so much going on, the fiscal cliff, negotiating back and forth with the house trying to figure out how to avoid massive tax increases and spending cuts, why there? it's all politics. >> steve: one other note, the "wall street journal" says regarding right to work states, between 2000 and 2010, 5 million people moved from union states to right to work states and they have 23% higher rate of income growth per capita in right to work states. so things are thriving in the right to work states. there are 24 of them. 26 still are union states. >> gretchen: eric brought up an interesting point about why isn't the president staying in washington, because now it turns out that the fiscal cliff is actually closer than we thought. it was not coakley january 1 anymore. we've about to go off it any day now because apparently it takes a certain amount of days to actually draft any kind of legislation that they might come to an agreement on and so if you backtrack then from the end of the year and when congress is going to be going home for christmas and other holidays, then you really don't have
with so much going on, the fiscal cliff, negotiating back and forth with the house trying to figure out how to avoid massive tax increases and spending cuts, why there? it's all politics. >> steve: one other note, the "wall street journal" says regarding right to work states, between 2000 and 2010, 5 million people moved from union states to right to work states and they have 23% higher rate of income growth per capita in right to work states. so things are thriving in the right...
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we talked about fiscal cliff having problems, not having the tools to deal with the fiscal cliff. the fed not having it, should we go over that. there we are dealing with the aftermath. remember something folks, september 14 is the high for the s&p this year. you know why that is important in september 13 is the fed meeting. they bought into the fed meeting and sold right after that, sue. and they are doing that again today. we are repeating what happened just a few months ago. i think that's why it is very important. elsewhere, defense stocks. here is a group that's very worried about frustration when mr. bernanke started getting tampered with questions on the fiscal cliff. you saw the defense stocks move down. very rare miss in home builders. they had disappointing earnings and that has not happened much in the last couple quarters with home builders. >> certainly hasn't been. bob, i will see you later. >> commodities taking a hit after the fed's move. oil is down, gold is dropping below the 1700 level. sharon is at the nimex with a $20 loss in gold, sharon? >> fading quickly fr
we talked about fiscal cliff having problems, not having the tools to deal with the fiscal cliff. the fed not having it, should we go over that. there we are dealing with the aftermath. remember something folks, september 14 is the high for the s&p this year. you know why that is important in september 13 is the fed meeting. they bought into the fed meeting and sold right after that, sue. and they are doing that again today. we are repeating what happened just a few months ago. i think...